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Can LPNs supervise RNs or sign off on RNs’ assessments?


Dear Nancy,

Can LPNs supervise RNs? Can an LPN advise and sign off on an RN’s assessment? I work as UR RN for workers comp and there are several LPN supervisors with RNs under them. There have been occasions when the LPN has directed an RN to change his or her claim determination, stating the LPN’s assessment is more accurate/correct than the RN. Many RNs are very uncomfortable with this and need to know if this is legal and within the scope of an LPN.


Nancy Brent replies:

Dear Evelyn,

The legal regulation of nursing practice, which occurs at the state level through the nurse practice act and its rules/regulations, includes the scope of practice of the LPN and the RN. There is no question that LPN practice is a dependent one. That is, the provision of patient care by the LPN is overseen in some way by a healthcare professional with more comprehensive educational requirements and therefore different scopes of practice. In state nurse practice acts, the LPN works under the direction or supervision of an RN, physician, or dentist, as examples.

An LPN’s assessment cannot, nor should it, take the place of an RN assessment. If there is a disagreement about the accuracy or correctness of an assessment, one done by an RN and one by an LPN, neither should be required to change a claim because one of the parties believes he or she is superior to the other. Rather, there should be a mechanism in place where such conflicts can be taken to an objective third party who then makes a decision about which assessment will be used for the workers compensation claim. Under no circumstances, however, can an LPN provide an assessment that is only to be done by an RN.

Additionally, LPNs should not be supervisors of RNs. Direction for this prohibition can be found in the state nurse practice act. The act and rules would be a good resource for you to review in order to obtain the legal requirements of LPN and RN practice in your state.

It would be a good idea to bring this issue to the attention of the administration of the organization where you work. Additionally, in your role as UR RN, this concern needs to be clarified. Neither you nor the company you work for need to have problems concerning how LPNs are utilized in the decision-making process concerning claimants’ coverage. No claimant should have to question this either, but he or she might, with his or her lawyer’s advice, if the decision-making process is flawed due to the improper use of LPNs.

Your concern should not be construed to support a belief that LPNs are not capable healthcare providers. They are, and they have contributed to quality patient care in many settings for many years. Rather, your concern, which should include a consultation with a nurse attorney or attorney in your state, may help you clarify exactly how LPNs can be utilized in the company with an eye toward compliance with the state nurse practice act.


By | 2019-11-13T13:07:31-05:00 August 5th, 2009|Categories: Blogs, Nursing Careers and Jobs|10 Comments

About the Author:

Nancy J. Brent, MS, JD, RN
Our legal information columnist Nancy J. Brent, MS, JD, RN, received her Juris Doctor from Loyola University Chicago School of Law and concentrates her solo law practice in health law and legal representation, consultation and education for healthcare professionals, school of nursing faculty and healthcare delivery facilities. Brent has conducted many seminars on legal issues in nursing and healthcare delivery across the country and has published extensively in the area of law and nursing practice. She brings more than 30 years of experience to her role of legal information columnist. Her posts are designed for educational purposes only and are not to be taken as specific legal or other advice. Individuals who need advice on a specific incident or work situation should contact a nurse attorney or attorney in their state. Visit The American Association of Nurse Attorneys website to search its attorney referral database by state.


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    Proud LPN February 15, 2019 at 6:39 am - Reply

    No where in the nurse practice acts is it written Anywhere that LPNS cant implement an assessment not one state nurse practice act I read states this
    This would be absolutely stupid and silly since LPNS assess when taking vitals,prior to giving certain medications,admission charts, prior to giving Insulin
    Etc, this is silly LPNS are trained and most importantly educated on how to assess all systems of the human body

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      Jenny November 8, 2019 at 12:10 am - Reply

      Can an LPN be a DON’?

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        Care giver April 28, 2021 at 12:54 pm - Reply

        Actually yes I have worked at assisted living with Lpn DONs. Also worked as unit manger as Lpn
        and managed many Rns. Most nursing homes use as few Rns as possible and work the Lpns and cnas like slaves.

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    Gigirose February 16, 2019 at 11:41 pm - Reply

    These were the first four states that showed up when I googled RN LPN Perform Assessment Nurse Practice Act, hope this helps.


    Pursuant to 655 IAC, Chapter 6, 6.3(152), a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) may not perform an initial assessment. Initial assessments are to be performed by a Registered Nurse (RN). The initial assessment is to be used to determine a patient’s baseline and develop an initial nursing plan of care.

    Once the initial assessment has been completed and the nursing plan of care has been developed, the LPN may assist the RN in the nursing process, consistent with accepted and prevailing practice. The LPN is to communicate any change of a patient’s status to the RN.


    Assessments: RN vs. LPN
    • LPN – focused assessment
    – gathers data to contribute to assessment
    – reports findings/results to RN
    • RN – comprehensive, initial & ongoing
    – synthesizes the information
    – based on professional nursing judgment and knowledge base


    Licensed vocational nurses may only conduct focused health assessments .A focused assessment is An appraisal of an individual client’s status and situation at hand [what is occurring at that moment], contributing to the comprehensive assessment by the RN, supporting on-going data collection, and deciding who needs to be informed of the information and when to inform (§217.11 (2) (A) (i) and the Position Statement 15.27 LVN Scope of Practice.)

    North Carolina:

    The “practice of nursing by a registered nurse” consists of the following 10 components:

    a. Assessing the patient’s physical and mental health, including the patient’s reaction to illnesses and treatment regimens.

    b. Recording and reporting the results of the nursing assessment.

    c. Planning, initiating, delivering, and evaluating appropriate nursing acts.

    The “practice of nursing by a licensed practical nurse” consists of the following seven components:

    a. Participating in the assessment of the patient’s physical and mental health, including the patient’s reaction to illnesses and treatment regimens.

    b. Recording and reporting the results of the nursing assessment.

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    Tammy Lindelien RN, BHS April 30, 2019 at 6:54 am - Reply

    It has been a long running controversy but the experience of an LVN/LPN differs in different states. In the State of California an LVN’s nursing experience does mot trump the RN’s education. Assessment in its depth of diseases and their impact on the psychological and emotional status is more fully considered in a client’s overall health status. more qualified to Assess patient’s because that was the focus of their learning and verified by the passing of their passing.State board exams. It is not within an LVN/LPN scope of practice in our State of CA. The LVN is expected as a primary patient caregiver to advise the RN what changes they see in their patient for a reassessment be the RN to evaluate any further adjustments to a patient’s care needs to be discussed with the attending physician. I have taught both theory an Clinical practice for CNA’s, LVN’s and RN’s in preparation for their Certification and License for State Board Exams and it is clear they reinforce who is legally responsible for the Nursing Process steps. I recommend the CA State begin to evaluate what hospitals risk legal action and fines if they have permitted nursing staff to function outside their scope of practice!

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      Ben July 6, 2019 at 5:01 am - Reply

      ….and that ladies and gentlemen sounds like something a dim, inexperienced rn would say. you’re talking about taking legal action because your feelings got hurt. aside from hanging blood, tpn or chemotherapy (all of which make up a very small portion of health care) the states of our great nation are going to yield to the facilities’ policy. you were talking about ‘assessments’ saying lpns can’t do them, HA!….if I told an rn she was going to have to do my assessment because she’s an rn and I’m just a little ol’ lpn there would be physical bouts at the nurses station every hour and zero work would get done ultimately causing the residents to suffer. use your head honey the biggest thing that will always be affecting health care is cost and the fact that things are getting more and more expensive and people are living longer and longer. not that an lpn is out performing you at work

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    Henry November 8, 2019 at 10:27 pm - Reply

    I am not saying LPN is not qualified to handle many situations..I will state that the assessment of labs..understanding of cl..co2..and clinical differentiation is at a different educational level..if as a rn I as you to remain at bedside while I review present that to the pcp..would be within my scope of practice..lpns work under the rn license..and its that rn license not the lpns in a court of law…I will not give up my license that matter what your title is

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    Patrice November 27, 2019 at 12:40 am - Reply

    Henry, you are exactly right! How dare these people commenting on this subject like theirs is some sort of “sibling rivalry.” The only reason you will see such nonsense as a LPN being a supervisor over an RN is to save money. Shame on the RNs that are allowing them to do this….big risk!

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    Jo, RN October 28, 2020 at 12:44 pm - Reply

    Henry, I’m sorry, but LPN’s do not work under the license of the RN. They have their own license that they obtained once they pass the NCLEX! Also, it is the LPN who has to answer to both the nursing board and a court of law! Not to mention LPN’s are educated to understand labs! There is only a few things LPN’s aren’t able to do that RN’s are. Such as, initial assessment, TPA, access ports, IV push, blood, initial education, and I think that is about it! LPN’s can be ADONs, nurse managers, charge nurses, and nurse supervisors. You should probably better educate yourself on what an LPN is before you decide you can tell them what they can and can’t do. Each state has a specific scope of practice for both RN and LPN and I have heard Ohio has a broader scope for LPNs, there isn’t a lot they can’t do. Also, Patricia don’t assume you are making more money then the LPN. I know some LPNs who are making better money then most RNs in their area! This is not usually the case, but it is definitely the case for some nurses.

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    Amy February 18, 2021 at 4:37 am - Reply

    So my understanding is that LPN’s can be in supervisory roles that they are qualified and properly trained for under an RN, NP, or MD. So if I am an LPN unit manager and there is a brand new RN floor nurse, my supervisory role on the Unit is actually delegated to me by the healthcare professional who made sure that I was competent for the task at hand. I’ve trained many new RN’s in their new roles as floor nurses. Especially in settings such as long term care, where new RN’s often go for their first job and the only experience they have had previously was in a clinical setting. Placing an RN fresh out of school with zero experience in a Unit manager role over LPN’s because just because she is an RN wouldn’t be fair to her or the LPN’s she is expected to support. I’m sorry but if my mom is in an ALF and she codes, I want the two LPN’s with a combined 20 years of experience running the show and the new RN can please call 911. Respectfully. This is how you end up with RN unit managers who can’t start an IV, draw labs, insert a catheter, or properly support the floor staff.

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